Michael wrote
"So if the killing of animals is wrong why has the 'creator' designed them to kill each other to survive? A wild cat is never going to eat a salad.."
Here is my reply:
I don't know understand your argument.
Why do you think that evolution is a deterministic process controlled by a Creator?
Cats are also killing for pure enjoyment, just like many humans do. Do you think this is morally justified? Do you think that this is a behavior that a Creator put into the cat – to kill other beings for enjoyment?
Some species evolved to become meat eaters because of that they lived in areas with a scarcity of plant based foods, and that their genetic mutations combined with them choosing to kill other sentient beings, increased their survival rate.
That they got genetic adaptations for a certain behavior, doesn't morally justify their behavior.
As I asked,
Do you think that cannibalism is morally justified?
I argue that we are not morally justified to kill either humans, or other animals for our survival. See this blog post that I have written:
http://andersbranderud.thoughts.com/posts/are-humans-morally-justified-to-kill-a-human-or-another-animal-for-survival
Furthermore, as I said before, humans today in our culture are not killing for survival, we are killing for “pleasure” or convenience – for a trivial “taste experience”.
I agree with these quotes by Leo Tolstoy:
“A man can live and be healthy without killing animals for food; therefore, if he eats meat, he participates in taking animal life for the sake of his appetite. And to act so is immoral.”
“Thou shalt not kill” does not apply to murder of one’s own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai.”
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Vegan reply to "'creator of the world' has designed it in a way that suffering is caused in order for beings to feed"
“The only thing throwing the human eating of animals into doubt is the evolving of our mental thinking”
Ethics is the only reason why we are not being cannibals as well. If you are going to use your justification you have to disregard that there is an objective moral and you have to disregard what we intuitively know, that it is morally wrong to inflict unnecessary suffering and death upon human animals as well as non-human animals.
To state it again:
“We all agree that “unnecessary” animal suffering and death are morally wrong. If that means anything at all, it must mean that we cannot justify animal suffering and death by reasons of pleasure or convenience. But what is our best justification for imposing suffering and death on the 56 billion animals (excluding fish) we eat annually?
Pleasure. Convenience.
So the only justification we have is that which we agree cannot suffice. This is moral schizophrenia.
If you are not a vegan, you are participating directly in animal exploitation. Being a vegan is easy, better for your health, and the most powerful way that you, as an individual, can say “no” to animal exploitation.
“ Quote: http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/unnecessary-suffering-and-death/#.UaB68Jxc18E
Reply to Michael, who wrote:
The point I'm trying to make is that the 'creator of the world' has designed it in a way that suffering is caused in order for beings to feed. Spiders eat flies, birds eat worms, cats eat birds and fish, wild cats eats other big animals etc etc etc and is a way of life.
The only thing throwing the human eating of animals into doubt is the evolving of our mental thinking
Ethics is the only reason why we are not being cannibals as well. If you are going to use your justification you have to disregard that there is an objective moral and you have to disregard what we intuitively know, that it is morally wrong to inflict unnecessary suffering and death upon human animals as well as non-human animals.
To state it again:
“We all agree that “unnecessary” animal suffering and death are morally wrong. If that means anything at all, it must mean that we cannot justify animal suffering and death by reasons of pleasure or convenience. But what is our best justification for imposing suffering and death on the 56 billion animals (excluding fish) we eat annually?
Pleasure. Convenience.
So the only justification we have is that which we agree cannot suffice. This is moral schizophrenia.
If you are not a vegan, you are participating directly in animal exploitation. Being a vegan is easy, better for your health, and the most powerful way that you, as an individual, can say “no” to animal exploitation.
“ Quote: http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/unnecessary-suffering-and-death/#.UaB68Jxc18E
Reply to Michael, who wrote:
The point I'm trying to make is that the 'creator of the world' has designed it in a way that suffering is caused in order for beings to feed. Spiders eat flies, birds eat worms, cats eat birds and fish, wild cats eats other big animals etc etc etc and is a way of life.
The only thing throwing the human eating of animals into doubt is the evolving of our mental thinking
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