måndag 24 juni 2013

Vegan reply to Why vivisection and animal testing should be banned from medical institutions.

 This question boils down to the question whether animals have a moral value or not. I would say that almost everyone does believe that animals do have a moral value. Let me show how.

“One of the main arguments that I make is that although almost everyone accepts that it is morally wrong to inflict “unnecessary” suffering and death on animals, 99% of the suffering and death that we inflict on animals can be justified only by our pleasure, amusement, or convenience. For example, the best justification that we have for killing the billions of nonhumans that we eat every year is that we enjoy the taste of animal flesh and animal products. This is not an acceptable justification if we take seriously, as we purport to, that it is wrong to inflict unnecessary suffering or death on animals, and it illustrates the confused thinking that I characterize as our “moral schizophrenia” when it comes to nonhumans.”
Quote: http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/vivisection-part-one-the-necessity-of-vivisection/#.UchssJxW6nk

Animal abuse is wrong because animals have a moral value. But if animals have a moral value, they also have the right to not be used as a resource, including the right not to be killed by humans.

“If you think that any sentient nonhuman life has a moral value, then it is irrational to deny that all nonhuman life has moral value. To put it another way, if you think that dogs or cats (or whomever) have moral value, you cannot logically exclude cows, fish, pigs, and chickens from the moral community. And having moral value means that we cannot use animals as a resource. Therefore, veganism is what follows from the simple recognition that animals are not things. If animals have any moral value, we cannot use them as resources. Peirod.” [Quote: http://www.facebook.com/abolitionistapproach]

Humans having a moral value, implies that we can’t use them as a resource, including we aren’t allowed to use them in vivisection.
Nonhuman animals do have a moral value, and thus we can’t use them as a resource, including we aren’t allowed to use them in vivisection.


My reply to a person:
Please note that it is not only meat-eating that enslaves, hurts, uses and kills nonhuman animals, but ALL non-vegan choices, including the consumption of egg-, milk and other animal products. I recommend the website: www.vegankit.com for more information.
We can all learn to care more for each day, veganism is the first step; and then to educate all ones friends and the people one is meeting.

“As far as I am concerned, there is more suffering i I love this quote: “Our obligations to nonhuman animals are not a matter of charity or mercy; they are a matter of fundamental justice”

Quote: https://www.facebook.com/abolitionistapproach

“As far as I am concerned, there is more suffering in a glass of milk than in a pound of steak, though I would not consume either. Vegetarianism as a moral position is no more coherent than saying that you think it morally wrong to eat meat from a spotted cow but not morally wrong to eat meat from a non-spotted cow. We do not need any animal products for health purposes, and animal agriculture is an ecological disaster. The best justification that we have for killing billions of animals every year is that they taste good. That simply cannot suffice as a moral justification.”
Quote: http://www.believermag.com/issues/201102/?read=interview_francione


Codie-Joy Duncan,

You wrote: “What bugs me is people who claim they are vegetarian then go and eat fish. Fish is a living animal, it has a heart so how can you eat it”

Yes, and cows are also living animals, and they get killed in the milk industry. Male calves get killed before they are 18 months old, and female cows when they are 5 years old.

“As far as saving the animals go, I couldn't become vegan. I have so many health issues as it is, I'm quite surprised ive last over 3 years as a Vegetarian. I would love to become vegan but I dont think I could do it. Plus the cost of being vegetarian is insane, I cant imagine the cost for veganism.”

You will be way healthier on a vegan diet. Milk products are causing health problems. There are so many myths produced by the milk industry. I recommend this website: http://www.drmcdougall.com/med_hot_calcium.html and www.adelicatebalance.com.au

A vegan diet is really inexpensive. Basically you can eat a starch-based, home-cooked diet, cooked from mainly starches (e.g. potatoes, sweet potatoes, rice, lentils, chickpeas, etc.) with the additions of some vegetables and fruits. It is easy to get all nutrition from a vegan diet. The only supplement you may have to add is B-12: http://drmcdougall.com/misc/2007nl/nov/b12.htm

“I steer clear of it. I do eat egg as I get a good protein source from it, so that would be hard to give up.”

Eggs are very bad for human health: http://drmcdougall.com/misc/2005nl/march/050300pueastereggs.htm
Eggs are very bad for chickens. Male chicks in the egg industry are grounded up alive, hens are exploited and killed. Learn more in the movies here: http://www.vegankit.com/why

“ Im already ontop of the clothing and product part.”
That’s great!

“ I think my partner would hate me if I went vegan, he find it hard enough me being vegetarian “

Have you presented this argument for him?: http://articles.philly.com/2009-08-14/news/24986151_1_atlanta-falcons-quarterback-vick-illegal-dog-dog-fights

Follow your inner moral compass, stop exploiting the animals you love by eating animal products, go vegan. It is better for you, it is better for the environment, and most importantly, it is the only ethical thing to do.

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