måndag 22 juli 2013

Vegan reply to 'I rather eat meat than let it go to waste'

Reply to a person:
Emily Steer,
First of all it is a matter of ethics.

Please let me be very clear: I think that dog fighting is a terrible thing.

But I must say that the Vick case is rather dramatically demonstrating what I call our “moral schizophrenia” about animals. That is, if one thing is clear, it is that we do not think clearly about our moral obligations to animals.

In this country alone, we kill over ten billion land animals annually for food. The animals we eat—even those supposedly raised “humanely”—suffer as much as the dogs that are used in dog fighting. There is no “need” for us to eat meat, dairy, or eggs. Indeed, these foods are increasingly linked to various human diseases and animal agriculture is an environmental disaster for the planet. We impose pain, suffering, and death on these billions of sentient nonhumans because we enjoy eating their flesh and the products that we make from them.

Learn more here: http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/a-note-about-michael-vick/#.UezrP234V5s

Second of all, even if we have the ability to kill animals doesnt mean that it is morally justified. You could as well say Look we have canines, thus it is okay for meat to kill and eat humans. Just because you have the ability to wage wars with your hands, thus mean that there is any moral justification to do this.

I recommend you to study this carefully to think more clearly about this issues: http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/faqs/#.UezWSm34V5t

The animals are dieing anyway. First of all you have the 58 billion of domesticated animals that are bred and killed only because of human demand and consumption. Then you have the more than 1000 billion marine animals that are killed and consumed only because of human demand and consumption, and these animals wouldnt be hurt and killed. If the demand stopped  these fish wouldnt be killed.

A vegan diet is very inexpensive. Eat a home-cooked starchbased diet (e.g. potatoes, rice, lentils, beans,etc.) with some vegetables and fruits: http://www.drmcdougall.com/

I also recommend this book which adresses many more counter-arguments: http://www.eatlikeyoucarebook.com/

Some of the arguments that you present were also used to defened human slavery. Those people doing animal agriculture right now, can easily transition to a plants only agriculture. They can easily become self-sustained on their own food.
An plants only vegan diet can feed all the world, and we can eliminate poverty and hunger: http://www.drmcdougall.com/video/expert_testimonies_oppenlander.htm
Reply to Emily that wrote [I didn't adress all the arguments. They are already earlier adressed in this blog or in the links above.] I just see it as a desperate attempt to justify a position that can't be morally justified. You throw out alot of arguments that can easily be refuted. You have those arguments and bring them up to try to still your consciousness that understand on a deep (but maybe not conscious) level that it is wrong to hurt and kill animals for food.:
·  Emily Steier I'd rather eat the meat than have it go to waste--- and nuts and beans and shit are getting more expensive by the day. o.o I'm by no means a twig, I'm a woman with decent curves, that doesn't mean I'm fat either. I just know that Humans were made to be omnivores-- that our canines are there for a reason. I'm not going to make fun of anyone's lifestyle but I'm just saying, the animals are dying anyway, why let their death be in vain? SAVE THE ANIMALS FROM THE DUMPSTER! EAT THEM! And then the price of everything else would go up. There wouldn't be enough farmland to grow enough to meet the supply. We would starve as a people and the animals will die anyway. Because there will be no need for them we'd have to dramatically cull their numbers, Farmers and families would be out of work, people who have herded cattle and died protecting their flock would be lost in vain. There is balance. There has to be balance. We have to hunt, have to kill, because as humans we're overpopulating can't have a lot of animals overpopulating as well so they'd have to be culled.. then what would happen to their bodies, what will feed that tiny little dog can't expect it to be able to survive on veggies, carnivores, omnivores, herbivores. If you can afford to eat vegan don't bash the people who cannot.

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