There is a video of a dancing dog.
Here are some good comments related to that video:
Yes,
as I stated, the human is gaining something--notoriety--at the expense
of another animal. In addition, a corporation is gaining advertising and
business at the expense of another animal. Pit bulls shouldn't need to
made to look human-ish in their behavior to be accepted. They're
dogs--plain and simple. Let them be dogs, doing their own thing 100% of
the time. I'm reminded of how masters made slaves dance on the
plantations to entertain and to show the slaves were happy. The masters
even said things like the slaves "enjoyed" their time performing for the
masters. Still, no slave would have chosen slavery over freedom. It's
interesting that you made the analogy to the human being a parent
because many slave owners touted themselves as parents in describing
their relationships with their slaves. Defenders of slavery would even
refer to owners as parents. Sadly, this kind of defensive language about
slavery continues today, especially in the southern U.S. It's a case of
language being used to soften reality and distract us from issues
related to slavery. With regard to this video and others like it, why
can't we refer to domesticated animals as companions, friends or some
more egalitarian designation? I don't see the training as problematic
because it's "cross-species"--it's problematic because of the
relationship of power, because it's anthropomorphic and because no human
should gain anything through the exploitation of another human or other
animal.
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Michele Spino Martindill It's
easy for humans who are in a position of privilege to say the dog is
gaining something, the dog is cute or there's no problem with what's
depicted in the video. It's easy for humans to ignore the exploitation;
however, the dog doesn't have that privilege. I'm sure if the dog could
speak, humans would use their power to control the meaning of the dog's
words. As the philosopher Wittgenstein wrote, "If a lion could speak, we
could not understand him [sic]."
It's
an unequal relationship of power, with the human gaining notoriety (at
the very least) at the expense of another animal. The human is making
the dog do human centered tricks rather than enabling the dog to do dog
centered activities, e.g. walking, running, sniffing, sleeping, eating,
licking...you know, dog things
Michele Spino Martindill It's
a false analogy (a logical fallacy) to compare the human/child
relationship to that of a human/dog. Using paternalism as a way to
defend exploitation doesn't work with slavery and it doesn't work as a
defense for this video. Also, the use of positive reinforcement comes
from a branch of psychology called behaviorism in which it is assumed
that there's a person in power who can manipulate those without power
through rewards and punishments. To use that kind of strategy on a child
or any living being goes against veganism in that it puts humans with
power on the top of a ladder of value rather than seeing all of life as
interconnected. Veganism, unlike behaviorism, involves interacting with
all others by showing respect, working to insure no is manipulated or
exploited, and by being sure everyone has an opportunity to live in
Peace
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I'm
aware of so-called progressive training for dogs and other animals, but
the point is that they're still being trained by humans for human
purposes. The bond between human and dog isn't strengthened in a
positive sense--such training is simply
a different way for humans to attain and retain power in the
relationship. There's no way to prove that "most vegans" are okay dogs
being kept indoors or with anything else; however, we do know that in
veganism humans have to take responsibility for having historically
domesticated dogs and cats, meaning they stop breeding more dogs and
cats, and they provide food, shelter and veterinary care for those
animals already born. So, yes, it makes perfect "sense" for those who
support veganism to be against dogs being trained for human purposes and
in favor of allowing dogs to be dogs. Introducing the subject of
animals slaughtered for dog food is a red herring in this discussion, an
attempt to get off topic in order to distract from a weak argument (one
of those pesky logical fallacies again). I know it can be hard to see
the exploitation in something our culture has told us for centuries is
cute, but it's time to stand against all exploitation.
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We can protect animals and be responsible for their care without treating then like circus animals. They do not have to be on display doing tricks. The whole notion of tricks and doing behaviors that are based on human goals and entertainment speaks of exploitation--human gain at the expense of other animals. Using paternalism to justify slavery of any kind violates the basic precepts of veganism. There is no justification for slavery and exploitation. It is interesting to see vegans use paternalism to defend a video of something that is a circus act--a performance for the benefit of humans in terms of entertainment and advertising.
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