First of all,
Sorry for making an over-generalizing statement about ‘organic farming’ in the last post. My comment, written when being tired and very frustrated at the terrible maltreatment of animals and the big ignorance of it, was meant to criticize the myth of animal welfare of most organic farms. Furthermore, an explanation of what I was meaning was given at the link. I am aware that there are some farms that do treat their animals decently until the horrendous slaughter. People say that you can slaughter animals humanely. I disagree in that you can kill another innocent individual humanely. Surely there are methods that inflict the animal less pain; but you are still taking the life of another individual who love his family, love you (assuming you have treated him/her well) and love to live.
I believed in the Bible for 10 years (firstly as a Christian), observed the Torah for 5 years (after rejecting Christianity and NT); and now this autumn I came to the realization - based on facts, love, compassion and using all of my intellectual capabilities to pursue the truth - that the Torah contains errors and that the Creator didn’t give a soul/life to animals for any other species to take it. Animals - including humans - are meant to die when we naturally give up our breath.
I don’t agree with all PETA does. I don’t eat any processed ‘foods’. I eat very nutritious food and me and my wife love cooking.
Me and my wife plan to lives at a farm when we can afford it. Instead of contributing to the death of precious, sentient beings, we will have a safe haven where animals get to live their full life - just like the wonderful organizations ‘Gentle Barn’ and ‘Animal Sanctuary’.
My wife grew up at a farm. We live in an area with many farms and like being out taking walks. We haven’t yet found any farm that treats their animal well. Chickens all cramped up in a farm house getting sent to the slaughter house when they are 1 month old, in two farms they have pigs cramped up in small area - about 8 pigs in 6m^2. You can feel the smell from the pig house at a long distance showing that they don’t care for the pig’s health and environment.
onsdag 28 november 2012
Animals love life, be a vegan
It is wrong on every level to take away the liberty and life of an innocent and defenseless being.
Please don't participate in using animal products (including meat), since it leads to the death and suffering of precious, sentient, feeling and conscious animals !!! They love life, they love their family. They feel suffering, fear. Please don't inflict them pain, which is done by the slaughter-industry -- and you partake of the carcasses.
Consider this:
King Lear, late at night on the cliffs asks the blind Earl of Gloucester “How do you see the world?”
And the blind man Gloucester replies “I see it feelingly”.
Shouldn’t we all?
Animals must be off the menu because tonight they are screaming in terror in the slaughterhouse, in crates, and cages. Vile ignoble gulags of despair.
I heard the screams of my dying father as his body was ravaged by the cancer that killed him. And I realised I had heard these screams before.
In the slaughterhouse, eyes stabbed out and tendons slashed, on the cattle ships to the Middle East and the dying mother whale as a Japanese harpoon explodes in her brain as she calls out to her calf.
Their cries were the cries of my father.
I discovered when we suffer, we suffer as equals.
And in their capacity to suffer, a dog is a pig is a bear. . . . . . is a boy."
Please listen to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQCe4qEexjc
Please don't participate in using animal products (including meat), since it leads to the death and suffering of precious, sentient, feeling and conscious animals !!! They love life, they love their family. They feel suffering, fear. Please don't inflict them pain, which is done by the slaughter-industry -- and you partake of the carcasses.
Consider this:
King Lear, late at night on the cliffs asks the blind Earl of Gloucester “How do you see the world?”
And the blind man Gloucester replies “I see it feelingly”.
Shouldn’t we all?
Animals must be off the menu because tonight they are screaming in terror in the slaughterhouse, in crates, and cages. Vile ignoble gulags of despair.
I heard the screams of my dying father as his body was ravaged by the cancer that killed him. And I realised I had heard these screams before.
In the slaughterhouse, eyes stabbed out and tendons slashed, on the cattle ships to the Middle East and the dying mother whale as a Japanese harpoon explodes in her brain as she calls out to her calf.
Their cries were the cries of my father.
I discovered when we suffer, we suffer as equals.
And in their capacity to suffer, a dog is a pig is a bear. . . . . . is a boy."
Please listen to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQCe4qEexjc
Animals, herbivores, A God of love doesn't want any animal to suffer
Qasim,
I don't believe in a God that is pleasured by the suffering and death of any sentient being. I believe in a God that loves all conscious beings and takes care of them all!
I don't believe in a God that is pleasured by the suffering and death of any sentient being. I believe in a God that loves all conscious beings and takes care of them all!
I don’t believe in a God that is pleasured by the
fox killing a rabbit; neither in a God that is pleasured in the snake killing a
human, or a human killing a cow.
A God that endorses suffering, violence and death
to innocent sentient beings (including all animal species) –that all are an
integral part of the slaughter-industry – is a God that hasn’t love and
compassion. I don’t believe in a God that in a “holy” book is endorsing his
followers to kill other sentient beings. On the contrary, I think that such
statements are written by people not grasping the Will of our Compassionate and
Loving Creator.
I believe that our purpose – and all other animal’s purpose – on this planet are to live peacefully with each other and without hurting each other.
Certainly there are animals that are not doing
this; and the human, who is a herbivore, is manufacturing weapons and nets to put
other individuals to suffering, just to satisfy a meat-craving.
"And when I say 'empathy', what I'm saying
is: place yourself in the position of the animals, and start to view this issue
from the animals' point of view. From the victims' point of view. When you
examine any form of injustice, whether humans are victims or animals are
victims, please remember the victim's point of view."
"If you are not the victim, don't examine it
entirely from your point of view because when YOU'RE not the victim, it becomes
pretty easy to rationalize and excuse cruelty, injustice, inequality, slavery,
and even murder. But when you're the victim, things look a lot differently from
that angle." [Quote: Gary Yourofsky ]
You wrote: “I am agree to animal abuse and cruelty
like cutting some of their body parts is really not ok. They should also live
natural life.”
How can it ever be natural to be slaughtered???
Virtually no animal is living a “natural life”
before slaughter either.
Please watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es6U00LMmC4
The statement about medicine is not incorrect.
Eating meat is a danger for the human health. Please study through the research
referenced at this website: www.drfuhrman.com
Also this research: http://www.thechinastudy.com/
Finally for your last argument,
The sole reason that the animal population is growing so fast, is because of the increased meat-eating that humans partake in.
The sole reason that the animal population is growing so fast, is because of the increased meat-eating that humans partake in.
E.g. lots of cows are forcefully inseminated each
year to have calves; and then when they have been so mistreated that the industry
doesn’t count them as viable anymore, they are slaughtered.
There are humane ways of limiting the future
animal population in a way that doesn’t involve the killing of innocent
sentient beings.
tisdag 27 november 2012
Conscious animals, science, religion, traditions
There
is plenty of evidence that animals are conscious and we know both
science that animals are able to feel suffering and how they communicate
suffering.
"An international group of prominent scientists has signed The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness in which they are proclaiming their support for the idea that animals are conscious and aware to the degree that humans are — a list of animals that includes all mammals, birds, and even the octopus.
There is plenty of evidence that animals are feeling suffering."
"The neural substrates of emotions do not appear to be confined to cortical structures. In fact, subcortical neural networks aroused during affective states in humans are also critically important for generating emotional behaviors in animals. Artificial arousal of the same brain regions generates corresponding behavior and feeling states in both humans and non-human animals. Wherever in the brain one evokes instinctual emotional behaviors in non-human animals, many of the ensuing behaviors are consistent with experienced feeling states, including those internal states that are rewarding and punishing. "
Quote: http://io9.com/5937356/prominent-scientists-sign-declaration-that-animals-have-conscious-awareness-just-like-us
"For the animal kingdom, the Holocaust never ended."
"Cruelty to an animal is something we learn. Put a child in a room with a toy and a bunny. If she plays with the toy and is cruel to the bunny, I will buy you a new car."
"Our culture, religion and tradition starts with oral history. Our belief in the superiority of humans is rooted in the darkness and superstition, passed on by word of mouth for centuries. It has become holy, writ large by human hands. If we taped an oral history of animal kingdom, the anguished screams would drown out the sound and fury of the Big Bang."
[Quotes: Philip Wollen]
"An international group of prominent scientists has signed The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness in which they are proclaiming their support for the idea that animals are conscious and aware to the degree that humans are — a list of animals that includes all mammals, birds, and even the octopus.
There is plenty of evidence that animals are feeling suffering."
"The neural substrates of emotions do not appear to be confined to cortical structures. In fact, subcortical neural networks aroused during affective states in humans are also critically important for generating emotional behaviors in animals. Artificial arousal of the same brain regions generates corresponding behavior and feeling states in both humans and non-human animals. Wherever in the brain one evokes instinctual emotional behaviors in non-human animals, many of the ensuing behaviors are consistent with experienced feeling states, including those internal states that are rewarding and punishing. "
Quote: http://io9.com/5937356/prominent-scientists-sign-declaration-that-animals-have-conscious-awareness-just-like-us
"For the animal kingdom, the Holocaust never ended."
"Cruelty to an animal is something we learn. Put a child in a room with a toy and a bunny. If she plays with the toy and is cruel to the bunny, I will buy you a new car."
"Our culture, religion and tradition starts with oral history. Our belief in the superiority of humans is rooted in the darkness and superstition, passed on by word of mouth for centuries. It has become holy, writ large by human hands. If we taped an oral history of animal kingdom, the anguished screams would drown out the sound and fury of the Big Bang."
[Quotes: Philip Wollen]
måndag 26 november 2012
Evolution, natural selection, veganism, counter arguments
Andy,
Animals are conscious and have a soul.
These are the claims of science: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21528836.200-animals-are-conscious-and-should-be-treated-as-such.html ; and also the claims of millions of people being in touch with animals whom understand that the connection and relation they have with them is not the connection/relation with a non-conscious 'fur-robot'. Without any soul that is exactly what the animals would be.
Man and animals didn't miraculously pop up on earth. What you observe here today is the result of billion individual’s decision throughout hundreds of millions of years (and the resulting evolution of certain instincts, etc., based on choices made by animals); and it is not logical to blame the Creator of choices that His creations have made. The Creator created the universe, but didn’t control everything that occurred afterwards. Animals have a choice of what actions to make.
I don’t believe that the Creator sees any satisfaction or joy at all when a fox kills a rabbit; causing fear, suffering and death to the rabbit; and suffering to her family and potential human companions. I don’t think He approves of it.
You wrote: “As for empathy and cruelty, don't get me wrong, it is important for man to treat animals humanely, and in all honesty, we don't always do so.”
Good that you state so!!!!!
However, your meat eating states the opposite. You are preaching by your actions.
There is no secret that anyone’s meat eating is causing severe pain and suffering for animals: See e.g. this documentation: http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/factory-farming.aspx
Your lifestyle gives your silent approval of this.
You state: “Animals are not described as being created in God's image.”
And this is according to a book, which is written by human animals, and based on their misunderstanding.
Yet many animals are showing far more love and compassion to their fellow beings and humans compared to men themselves.
I believe that sentient beings all have attributes that resemble the nature of our Creator. However, most sentient beings are not showing love and compassion to all animals and are thus not living according to the image of our Creator.
I haven’t found any evidence that humans are ‘ABOVE’ animals. Surely man has attributes and brain capacities that other animals don’t have. However, a less complex brain/brain not using all of its potential functions in a human or another animal doesn’t make an individual of any less worth.
Animals are conscious and have a soul.
These are the claims of science: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21528836.200-animals-are-conscious-and-should-be-treated-as-such.html ; and also the claims of millions of people being in touch with animals whom understand that the connection and relation they have with them is not the connection/relation with a non-conscious 'fur-robot'. Without any soul that is exactly what the animals would be.
Man and animals didn't miraculously pop up on earth. What you observe here today is the result of billion individual’s decision throughout hundreds of millions of years (and the resulting evolution of certain instincts, etc., based on choices made by animals); and it is not logical to blame the Creator of choices that His creations have made. The Creator created the universe, but didn’t control everything that occurred afterwards. Animals have a choice of what actions to make.
I don’t believe that the Creator sees any satisfaction or joy at all when a fox kills a rabbit; causing fear, suffering and death to the rabbit; and suffering to her family and potential human companions. I don’t think He approves of it.
You wrote: “As for empathy and cruelty, don't get me wrong, it is important for man to treat animals humanely, and in all honesty, we don't always do so.”
Good that you state so!!!!!
However, your meat eating states the opposite. You are preaching by your actions.
There is no secret that anyone’s meat eating is causing severe pain and suffering for animals: See e.g. this documentation: http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/factory-farming.aspx
Your lifestyle gives your silent approval of this.
You state: “Animals are not described as being created in God's image.”
And this is according to a book, which is written by human animals, and based on their misunderstanding.
Yet many animals are showing far more love and compassion to their fellow beings and humans compared to men themselves.
I believe that sentient beings all have attributes that resemble the nature of our Creator. However, most sentient beings are not showing love and compassion to all animals and are thus not living according to the image of our Creator.
I haven’t found any evidence that humans are ‘ABOVE’ animals. Surely man has attributes and brain capacities that other animals don’t have. However, a less complex brain/brain not using all of its potential functions in a human or another animal doesn’t make an individual of any less worth.
Spirituality, animals vs humans, empathy, Gary Yourofsky
Plant-eating-animals are on a higher spiritual understanding than those human animals whom participate in killing sentient human or non-human animals.
Taking another innocent sentient being's life is certainly the worst atrocity you can commit!
Just because writers of religious books, including the Torah, wrote that it is okay, does NOT make it ethical.
Causing sentient beings suffering and death doesn't reflect a loving and compassionate Creator.
There exists no proof whatsoever that the value/worth of a non-human animal, would be any less than the value of a human animal.
”I want to ask you, to use some empathy right now. And when I say ‘empathy’, what I’m saying is: place yourself in the position of the animals, and start to view this issue from the animals’ point of view. From the victims’ point of view. When you examine any form of injustice, whether humans are victims or animals are victims, please remember the victim’s point of view. If you are not the victim, don’t examine it entirely from your point of view because when YOU’RE NOT the victim, it becomes pretty easy to rationalize and excuse cruelty, injustice, inequality, slavery, and even murder. But when you’re the victim, things look a lot differently from that angle.” - Gary Yourofsky
Taking another innocent sentient being's life is certainly the worst atrocity you can commit!
Just because writers of religious books, including the Torah, wrote that it is okay, does NOT make it ethical.
Causing sentient beings suffering and death doesn't reflect a loving and compassionate Creator.
There exists no proof whatsoever that the value/worth of a non-human animal, would be any less than the value of a human animal.
”I want to ask you, to use some empathy right now. And when I say ‘empathy’, what I’m saying is: place yourself in the position of the animals, and start to view this issue from the animals’ point of view. From the victims’ point of view. When you examine any form of injustice, whether humans are victims or animals are victims, please remember the victim’s point of view. If you are not the victim, don’t examine it entirely from your point of view because when YOU’RE NOT the victim, it becomes pretty easy to rationalize and excuse cruelty, injustice, inequality, slavery, and even murder. But when you’re the victim, things look a lot differently from that angle.” - Gary Yourofsky
söndag 25 november 2012
Vegan, ethical lifestyle; 'organic meat' a myth
Brian,
You wrote: "Not all meat is poor quality product produced in industrial plants, there is another choice - to eat organic "
First of all, It is always unethical to take the life of another sentient being. It also causes them and their famlily suffering. Who gave man the right to take the life of any sentient and feeling being?
Secondly,
Why their may be a few farmers whom treat their animals well for a few year, before their horrendous slaughter of their companions;
the term 'organic meat' is usually a myth: http://www.peta.org/issues/Animals-Used-For-Food/Free-Range-Organic-Meat-Eggs-Dairy.aspx
Lastly I would like to recommend everyone this video with many convincing and ethical arguments of why to live a vegan lifestyle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQCe4qEexjc&feature=plcp
You wrote: "Not all meat is poor quality product produced in industrial plants, there is another choice - to eat organic "
First of all, It is always unethical to take the life of another sentient being. It also causes them and their famlily suffering. Who gave man the right to take the life of any sentient and feeling being?
Secondly,
Why their may be a few farmers whom treat their animals well for a few year, before their horrendous slaughter of their companions;
the term 'organic meat' is usually a myth: http://www.peta.org/issues/Animals-Used-For-Food/Free-Range-Organic-Meat-Eggs-Dairy.aspx
Lastly I would like to recommend everyone this video with many convincing and ethical arguments of why to live a vegan lifestyle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQCe4qEexjc&feature=plcp
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