Animals are suffering and you are trying to rationalize a way this with argumentation based on your thoughts, not based on what the animals are feeling or are going through.
You are not putting yourself in their position! You are not even trying to feel what they are feeling!!!
Many people understand how much a dog can suffer. Cows, sheep, pigs and other animals are no different.
If you just want to understand the animal's perspective, instead of coming with insensitive and careless rationalizations of a barbaric human practice (i.e. the animal consumption), then please Google cows and suffering and see some video footage.
Killing an innocent, sentient being is always cruel and barbaric. There is no such thing as “humane” slaughter.
fredag 30 november 2012
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Vår kära hund Ahisma, en fredlig, kärleksfull rottweiler
Hej,
Ja vi tar med henne i vinter!!!! : )
Vår kära hund heter Ahisma.
Lärde mig det av Philip Wollen (en person som stödjer 400+ organisationer som hjälper människor och djur), som har en fantastisk video, där han talar i tio minuter om varför det är oetiskt att ta medvetande djurs liv.
Han har även oerhört tänkvärda citat som jag gillar mycket.
"The most beautiful single word ever written in any language in human history came from the Upanishads, three thousand years ago in India. . . . . Ahimsa. . . . . Non violence to any living being."
"If we have learned anything it is this. . . . . . . in their capacity to suffer, a dog is a pig is a bear . . . . . . . is a boy."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQCe4qEexjc
Vi träffade vår kära hund hos personen som hon växte upp hos; och hon gosade mycket med Hannah och vi blev väldigt fästa vid henne. Vi är så glada för vår härliga hund och älskar henne mycket!!!! : ) Det fanns många egenskaper som vi tyckte om med rottweilers - trofasthet, förmågan att skydda om det skulle komma någon elak människa som vill oss ont, och mer. Hon är väldigt lekfull och även gosig!
Hon har varit med oss sen i fredags. Vi får se om vi går på någon/några hundkurser.
Ta hand om dig kära syster; ser mycket fram emot att se dig!!!
Ja vi tar med henne i vinter!!!! : )
Vår kära hund heter Ahisma.
Lärde mig det av Philip Wollen (en person som stödjer 400+ organisationer som hjälper människor och djur), som har en fantastisk video, där han talar i tio minuter om varför det är oetiskt att ta medvetande djurs liv.
Han har även oerhört tänkvärda citat som jag gillar mycket.
"The most beautiful single word ever written in any language in human history came from the Upanishads, three thousand years ago in India. . . . . Ahimsa. . . . . Non violence to any living being."
"If we have learned anything it is this. . . . . . . in their capacity to suffer, a dog is a pig is a bear . . . . . . . is a boy."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQCe4qEexjc
Vi träffade vår kära hund hos personen som hon växte upp hos; och hon gosade mycket med Hannah och vi blev väldigt fästa vid henne. Vi är så glada för vår härliga hund och älskar henne mycket!!!! : ) Det fanns många egenskaper som vi tyckte om med rottweilers - trofasthet, förmågan att skydda om det skulle komma någon elak människa som vill oss ont, och mer. Hon är väldigt lekfull och även gosig!
Hon har varit med oss sen i fredags. Vi får se om vi går på någon/några hundkurser.
Ta hand om dig kära syster; ser mycket fram emot att se dig!!!
Predators, suffering of animals
Reply to a Facebook-post:
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Both the cat and the bird are sentient beings. Both love life, both love their family. Both feel suffering, joy and love at times. The individual's family suffers when their beloved family member is killed.
So it so sad that many sentient individuals of species throughout the ages decided to kill and eat each other.
I think it is so sad when a fox kill or a rabbit, or a snake kills a human, or a human kills a cow.
Please watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQCe4qEexjc
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Both the cat and the bird are sentient beings. Both love life, both love their family. Both feel suffering, joy and love at times. The individual's family suffers when their beloved family member is killed.
So it so sad that many sentient individuals of species throughout the ages decided to kill and eat each other.
I think it is so sad when a fox kill or a rabbit, or a snake kills a human, or a human kills a cow.
Please watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQCe4qEexjc
Honey, bees are sentient beings
Jennifer,
Hope you are doing well!
This is all good advices, except for the honey.
Did you know that bees are sentient beings; they need the honey they are creating; and they are usually suffering because of the practices of those whom are stealing the honey from their hives and are "taking care" of the bees:
More about bees and human exploitation:http://www.vegetus.org/honey/honey.htm
I was ignorant about bees and honey until quite recently.
Hope you are doing well!
This is all good advices, except for the honey.
Did you know that bees are sentient beings; they need the honey they are creating; and they are usually suffering because of the practices of those whom are stealing the honey from their hives and are "taking care" of the bees:
More about bees and human exploitation:http://www.vegetus.org/honey/honey.htm
I was ignorant about bees and honey until quite recently.
Do plants communicate with each other? Are plants sentient?
Knut,
It is very interesting and I am really fascinated of how complex organisms are!!
The researcher I quoted agrees on that plants are communicating. I agree with him on that this doesn’t imply that plants are sentient, thinking beings, that are able to feel subjective pain.
You can e.g. create robots that are communicating. I think the trees communication is much more complex. But a more complex design, doesn't imply that they are sentient.
The researcher answers the question “Do plants communicate with each other?”:
At a basic level, yes. But I guess it centers around how you define communication. There is no doubt that plants respond to cues from other plants. For example, if a maple tree is attacked by bugs, it releases a pheromone into the air that is picked up by the neighboring trees. This induces the receiving trees to start making chemicals that will help it fight off the impending bug attack. So on the face of it, this is definitely communication.
http://news.yahoo.com/plants-think-110000318.html
It is very interesting and I am really fascinated of how complex organisms are!!
The researcher I quoted agrees on that plants are communicating. I agree with him on that this doesn’t imply that plants are sentient, thinking beings, that are able to feel subjective pain.
You can e.g. create robots that are communicating. I think the trees communication is much more complex. But a more complex design, doesn't imply that they are sentient.
The researcher answers the question “Do plants communicate with each other?”:
At a basic level, yes. But I guess it centers around how you define communication. There is no doubt that plants respond to cues from other plants. For example, if a maple tree is attacked by bugs, it releases a pheromone into the air that is picked up by the neighboring trees. This induces the receiving trees to start making chemicals that will help it fight off the impending bug attack. So on the face of it, this is definitely communication.
http://news.yahoo.com/plants-think-110000318.html
Plant's dont suffer any subjective pain and they are not able to think.
Trees don't suffer any subjective pain, nor are they able to think. They are not sentient.
"No I wouldn’t, but maybe that’s where I’m still limited in my own thinking! To me thinking and information processing are two different constructs. I have to be careful here since this is really bordering on the philosophical, but I think purposeful thinking necessitates a highly developed brain and autonoetic, or at least noetic, consciousness. Plants exhibit elements of anoetic consciousness which doesn’t include, in my understanding, the ability to think. Just as a plant can’t suffer subjective pain in the absence of a brain, I also don’t think that it thinks."
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=do-plants-think-daniel-chamovitz&page=3
"No I wouldn’t, but maybe that’s where I’m still limited in my own thinking! To me thinking and information processing are two different constructs. I have to be careful here since this is really bordering on the philosophical, but I think purposeful thinking necessitates a highly developed brain and autonoetic, or at least noetic, consciousness. Plants exhibit elements of anoetic consciousness which doesn’t include, in my understanding, the ability to think. Just as a plant can’t suffer subjective pain in the absence of a brain, I also don’t think that it thinks."
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=do-plants-think-daniel-chamovitz&page=3
Animals love life, fear death; no humane slaughter
Zeeshan,
I don't agree with everything in the article.
"I never said that to eat animals you have to toss a live baby male chick. This is industry which I am totally against."
I didn't think you did either.
The point with my quote was that grass doesn't feel any pain; and neither do people think so. If they actually did think that grass feels pain when we walk on it, I hope they wouldn't walk on it.
If you actually do think that plants are conscious and feel pain; then it is possible for you to partake of fruits and nuts in a way that doesn’t hurt the plants.
"Refer to this article and Its scientifically proven that slaughtered animals don't feel pain. "
Did you mean that certain slaughter method?
It is possible to kill human’s animals as well painlessly (I mean pain caused from the actual assault) - but it is still morally despicable.
Slaughter will always involve the taking of an innocent, precious being; and will cause emotional pain!
Cows and other animals don’t want to die. Please don’t take their life!!!
Why would you ever want to take the life of a sentient, feeling, precious being?
They are not of less worth just because most humans can’t understand their way of communicating; or because that the human has a bigger intellectual capacity.
What do you think determines the worth of an individual?
“Like all animals, cows value their lives and don't want to die. Stories abound of cows who have gone to extraordinary lengths to fight for their lives.
A cow named Suzie was about to be loaded onto a freighter bound for Venezuela when she turned around, ran back down the gangplank, and leaped into the river. Even though she was pregnant (or perhaps because she was pregnant), she managed to swim all the way across the river, eluding capture for several days. She was rescued by PETA and sent to a sanctuary.
When workers at a slaughterhouse in Massachusetts went on break, Emily the cow made a break of her own. She took a tremendous leap over a 5-foot gate and escaped into the woods, surviving for several weeks during New England's snowiest winter in a decade, cleverly refusing to touch the hay put out to lure her back to the slaughterhouse.
When she was eventually caught by the owners of a nearby sanctuary, public outcry demanded that the slaughterhouse allow the sanctuary to buy her for one dollar. Emily lived out the rest of her life in Massachusetts until she died of cancer in 2004. Her life is a testament to the fact that eating meat means eating animals who don't want to die. “
Quote: http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/hidden-lives-of-cows.aspx
I don't agree with everything in the article.
"I never said that to eat animals you have to toss a live baby male chick. This is industry which I am totally against."
I didn't think you did either.
The point with my quote was that grass doesn't feel any pain; and neither do people think so. If they actually did think that grass feels pain when we walk on it, I hope they wouldn't walk on it.
If you actually do think that plants are conscious and feel pain; then it is possible for you to partake of fruits and nuts in a way that doesn’t hurt the plants.
"Refer to this article and Its scientifically proven that slaughtered animals don't feel pain. "
Did you mean that certain slaughter method?
It is possible to kill human’s animals as well painlessly (I mean pain caused from the actual assault) - but it is still morally despicable.
Slaughter will always involve the taking of an innocent, precious being; and will cause emotional pain!
Cows and other animals don’t want to die. Please don’t take their life!!!
Why would you ever want to take the life of a sentient, feeling, precious being?
They are not of less worth just because most humans can’t understand their way of communicating; or because that the human has a bigger intellectual capacity.
What do you think determines the worth of an individual?
“Like all animals, cows value their lives and don't want to die. Stories abound of cows who have gone to extraordinary lengths to fight for their lives.
A cow named Suzie was about to be loaded onto a freighter bound for Venezuela when she turned around, ran back down the gangplank, and leaped into the river. Even though she was pregnant (or perhaps because she was pregnant), she managed to swim all the way across the river, eluding capture for several days. She was rescued by PETA and sent to a sanctuary.
When workers at a slaughterhouse in Massachusetts went on break, Emily the cow made a break of her own. She took a tremendous leap over a 5-foot gate and escaped into the woods, surviving for several weeks during New England's snowiest winter in a decade, cleverly refusing to touch the hay put out to lure her back to the slaughterhouse.
When she was eventually caught by the owners of a nearby sanctuary, public outcry demanded that the slaughterhouse allow the sanctuary to buy her for one dollar. Emily lived out the rest of her life in Massachusetts until she died of cancer in 2004. Her life is a testament to the fact that eating meat means eating animals who don't want to die. “
Quote: http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/hidden-lives-of-cows.aspx
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