Killing animals is immoral

James Walker,
It is indeed very sad!
Slaughtering them on the same day (which is not described in the above on text); or on different days --- you are still taking the life of an individual - which is immoral; and causes suffering to the cow being killed and to his/her family.
Just because it is in a religious book written by ancient people doesn't mean that the Creator endorses it. The Creator gave the cow many years to live, and people are shorten it by e.g. 5 or 10 times. The Creator gives life and has not given us permission to take it.

Animals, value in the eyes of our Creator?

Argument: "It's silly to say that we shouldn't eat meat when our hominid ancestors and primate cousins have been eating meat for many thousands of years.
If it is as you say and we are no more important that the animals, how can we be held to a different standard? They kill for food, so can we."

Here are my thoughts:
With greater understanding comes greater responsibility.
We must consider the improved capabilities that we have compared to other of our Creator's creations, and use them wisely and with love and compassion.
We have the capability of reasoning about whether it is ethical to take the life of another of our Creator's sapient being and this responsibility shouldn't be taking lightly.
To without any evidence assume a religious book, or assume what anyone else teaches about moral including killing sapient beings, to be correct isn't using all of the capabilities that we have.
How can we assume that the Creator wants us to prematurely take the life of His other sapient beings? Who gave us this right? We do not own them and we don't own their life.

Is an immoral individual of less value to the Creator?
Do we judge individuals based on if they are doing their best according to their understanding?
Does an increasing understanding of the Will of our Creator lead to an increased responsibility to act according to our increased understanding?
Does the act of starting to behave more morally cause an individual to be of more value to the Creator; and vice versa?
Why do people claim that we are allowed to take innocent animals life, but not the life of innocent men? Where is the consistency?
What would give man the right to take another sapient beings life?

Related to this behaviour: Where is the logic, where is the love, where is the compassion?
Where is the care for the animals life? Where is the care for their family?
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How would you answer it?
What do you think about the above answer? How can it be improved?

Have a wonderful day!!! :)

False argument: Hominid ancestors ate meat, thus humans should also

With greater understanding comes greater responsibility.
We must consider the improved capabilities that we have compared to other of our Creator's creations, and use them wisely and with love and compassion.
We have the capability of reasoning about whether it is ethical to take the life of another of our Creator's sapient being and this responsibility shouldn't be taking lightly.
To without any evidence assume a religious book, or assume what anyone else teaches about moral including killing sapient beings, to be correct isn't using all of the capabilities that we have.
How can we assume that the Creator wants us to prematurely take the life of His other sapient beings? Who gave us this right? We do not own them and we don't own their life.

Stephanie wrote:
"It's silly to say that we shouldn't eat meat when our hominid ancestors and primate cousins have been eating meat for many thousands of years."

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Have a nice day!

Ancient Israelites - erroneous understanding of Torah and god?

Gary,

A few errors? Or much more than a few errors? If you research carefully and without a bias which filters pertinent facts – you will find out.

And even if a religious instruction manual was error-free or consistent with itself – what would that prove?

It still wouldn't prove that the instructions it contains originate from our Creator..

If you assume any religious instruction manual to be true and follow its moral commandments blindly without researching and using all facts available and all of your capabilities to discern if the commandments are desireable and moral, you may end up doing things that are not good.

”What does this have to do with serving our Creator David?? ”

How do we obey our Creator?

By assuming that an ancient people's understanding is correct? How would this be reliable?

How do you think the ancient people – e.g. the Israelites – came to conclusions about what they claimed to be the Will of the Creator?

How can you be sure that the commandments wasn't influenced by their own understanding – i.e. that there are commandments which are solely inspired by themselves and not by the Creator?

” How can you attack Torah from the outside and use outside resources to disprove something they know little about but only make general observations?””

Real, knowledgable scholars do have an intimate knowledge of Israelite culture and practises. Joining the Israelite religion doesn't give access to any secret knowledge.

In fact knowledgable religious Scholars study much more broadly than the vast majority of all adherents to any religion. Adherents to a religion often study very selectively and avoid facts which could cause them to question their religion. And if they ever would study such facts there bias highly affects what they are reading. The same mistake I did when I belonged to Christianity for six years and later to Judaism for five years.

An example of a Scholar is Moshe Weinfeld. I bought his book 'Deuteronomy 1-11'. I will not read it as most religious persons read their religious book – i.e. without questioning the facts and the con clusions made.

Errors in the Bible and in the Quran

Umair Javed,
Hello!

He is correct about that the logical conclusion based on the available evidence is that there exists a Creator whom created this universe.

He assumes without any evidence that the Creator wants us to obey any of the big religions/any religion.
His claims about Judaism and Judaism being exclusively for those whom are born Jews is erroneous. If you study ancient Jewish sources you will see this.
I did for many years insist that the Creator wants us to obey an ancient instruction manual and I believed this manual to be Torah.
I even thought that I had proof…
However, when I started to study I saw that I was wrong about this.
There is no proof for Islam being the religion of the Creator.
Islam advocates killing of animals and some people – which the Creator never has given permission to.
Religious books are attempts by ancient men to either understand the will of the Creator / a way of gaining power.
If you rely on a religious book you rely on the understanding of the author/authors of that book. There is no guarantee that he/they is/are right.
I think that to determine the Will of our Creator we should use all of the capabilities we have, our intellect, love and compassion and all facts that are available; and to based on this make an as unbiased conclusion as possible about the Will of our Creator?

Surely, we can study different religious book and learn from them, but we shouldn't assume that they are right in all of what they do command.

Creator does not allow us to take the lives of His creations-including animals

Jonathan,
"Prove ...that the Creator never gave permission to eat them"
The same logic that prohibits us to take the life of humans.

Why do you think that animals are of less worth than humans?

You would found it reprehensible with someone killing their dog, cat or your horses. I agree it would be terrible!!
The Creator's other beings are of NO less worth.

Assuming a holy book to be true, so many people have hardened their hearts; and think it is of okay to kill some of our Creator's sentient beings.

The Creator gave their lifespan. Who are we to shorten it??
He gave our lifespan and their lifespan for a reason. Slaughter houses many time reduce their life span more than 10 times.

I write only this because I care of you and care of the animals:
You may assume it to be right to take the life of other beings; but it will never change reality.
Reality is that there are no proofs at all that the Creator allowed men to take the life of animals; and that we should take care of His creations -- not kill them!!!